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04. 10 2008

[00:23:33] <asmodai> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg?v=0
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[01:43:48] <steg> aa_: pff, macros
[01:43:55] <steg> aa_: pff pff pff
[01:44:12] <aa_> steg: that's write, stick to haskell
[01:44:17] <aa_> um, right
[01:44:17] <steg> consider yourself scorned!
[01:44:36] <aa_> meep
[01:44:51] * aa_ goes and serializes himself and hides in a client cookie.
[01:44:56] <steg> :)
[01:45:07] <steg> aa_: i've pretty much decided the compiler will target .NET
[01:45:08] <aa_> steg: how are you uld bui
[01:45:14] <steg> i'm alright thanks, but still ill
[01:45:18] <aa_> steg: which compiler?
[01:45:20] <steg> i tried to get a doctors appointment
[01:45:23] <aa_> .NOT eh
[01:45:53] <steg> "Hi, I was there on Monday and told to come back at the end of the week if i wasn't better, because they are a bit worried. Also I had a chest x-ray" "We have an appointment next Friday" "... never mind."
[01:46:03] <steg> i will either be better or dead by then
[01:46:20] <steg> aa_: my 4th year project compiler
[01:47:10] <aa_> ah, it will compile to .net assemblies?
[01:47:19] <steg> aa_: yes!
[01:47:25] <steg> it looks like it will make my job easier frankly
[01:47:29] <aa_> why not go for the jvm, man
[01:47:37] <aa_> you are so unhip
[01:48:11] <steg> lack of tail-calls
[01:48:21] <steg> :P
[01:48:28] <steg> is one reason anyway
[01:48:32] <aa_> oh ok
[01:49:04] <aa_> steg: what you have to ask yourself in the mirror each day is "how am I helping PyPy with this thing?"
[01:49:15] <steg> afaik it's actually impossible for the JVM to do tail-call optimisation
[01:49:19] <steg> because it uses the stack for security stuff
[01:49:31] <steg> but somebody smarter than me might correct that
[01:49:49] <steg> aa_: haha
[01:50:08] <aa_> dammit, I hate it when you talk computer science, and I actually understand it
[01:50:24] <aa_> steg: brb, you with the bird?
[01:50:33] <steg> well, for functional languages tail-call optimisation is less an optimisation and more a requirement
[01:50:42] <aa_> dammit, stop it
[01:50:47] <steg> haha
[01:50:51] <steg> aa_: she's gone to bed :)
[01:51:00] <ronny> hmm, stop calling it tail-call optimazion
[01:51:04] <aa_> steg: mmm, code time
[01:51:12] <ronny> its simply a transformation from recurision to iteration
[01:51:13] <steg> ronny: right, please tell me the correct term
[01:51:18] <steg> yes "simply" ;)
[01:51:23] <steg> it's a pita :P
[01:51:48] <ronny> steg: everything is simple once a professor runs you trough ways to describe the entire world
[01:52:01] <ronny> my head still hurts form that one
[01:52:27] <steg> hehe
[01:54:49] <aa_> so who has played with kamaelia?
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[16:37:26] <saptah> hi.
[16:46:37] <Leonidas> hello saptah
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[17:52:13] <Dauerbaustelle> hello, how do I delete a sqlalchemy database item using werkzeug? item.delete() doesn't work. And the stuff I read in the sqlalchemy docu doesn't work. either
[17:52:44] <apollo13> Dauerbaustelle: you know that's not related to werkzeug in any way?
[17:52:55] <apollo13> it's sa stuff
[17:53:08] <apollo13> make sure to get the right settings (transactional autocommit etc...)
[17:53:23] <Dauerbaustelle> apollo13: I wasn't sure about this because the stuff used in da doesn't work
[17:56:27] <Dauerbaustelle> apollo13: I thought transactional was depricated?
[17:56:41] <Dauerbaustelle> *ecated
[17:57:04] <apollo13> depends, I think it was still used in 0.4, or maybe I just remember the wrong word ;) but what you are looking for is scoped_session
[17:57:39] <Dauerbaustelle> apollo13: Yes, I'm doing like I was told in the tutorial ;)
[17:57:55] <apollo13> O, then make sure to grep the right sa version
[17:58:03] <apollo13> 0.5 is certainly to high
[17:58:32] <Dauerbaustelle> nope, it is 4.x
[17:58:59] <apollo13> hmm, check the examples folder
[17:59:07] <Dauerbaustelle> It is actually item.delete()? or remove()? or destroy() ? none of them works
[17:59:14] <Dauerbaustelle> ah, good idea
[17:59:21] <apollo13> session.delete(item) session.commit iirc
[17:59:27] <apollo13> session.commit() *
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[18:07:04] <CIA-49> Jinja 2: mitsuhiko trunk * 586:d83432696267 / (5 files in 4 dirs): imports and includes "with context" are passed the full context now, not only the initial one.
[18:07:29] <mitsuhiko> hi apollo13 :)
[18:07:29] <Dauerbaustelle> apollo13: works, thx
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[18:07:37] <apollo13> wb mitsuhiko
[18:07:44] <apollo13> got net?
[18:07:49] <apollo13> hacked the neighbours?
[18:09:11] <mitsuhiko> who knows
[18:09:32] <apollo13> you know, how are you?
[18:09:40] * mitsuhiko is preparing salmiakki koskenkorva :)
[18:09:43] <apollo13> btw look at the last two werkzeug changesets
[18:10:12] <apollo13> where are you?
[18:10:30] <mitsuhiko> at my temporary location near the klosterwiesgasse
[18:10:41] <apollo13> hmm
[18:10:43] <mitsuhiko> bought furniture for 2000€ today :)
[18:10:53] <dennda> oO
[18:10:53] <apollo13> lol
[18:11:13] <sebner> mitsuhiko: what have you learned so far? ^^
[18:12:10] <mitsuhiko> sebner: obviously not that much
[18:12:36] <sebner> mitsuhiko: are you sad that you don't have to learn >5 hours already per day? ^^
[18:13:16] <apollo13> mitsuhiko: I am thinking about talking the next tram
[18:13:43] <mitsuhiko> apollo13: to where?
[18:14:29] <apollo13> klosterwiesgasse :þ
[18:14:48] <mitsuhiko> jokomini :)
[18:15:14] <apollo13> whatever
[18:16:35] <mitsuhiko> apollo13: i'm buying some stuff for a few minutes, we could meet at the jakomini
[18:17:15] <apollo13> I guess there is no salmiakki koskenkorva on jakomini^^
[18:18:01] <apollo13> phone brb
[18:18:02] <mitsuhiko> that not, but absolut vodka
[18:18:10] <apollo13> pfui
[18:18:17] <mitsuhiko> and i got salmiakki already :)
[18:18:30] <mitsuhiko> so. there i go
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[18:32:39] <_paneb> my service can receive xml data or form-urlencoded data. when i receive a request (which accepts data, eg. POST), i would like to store the parsed data in request.params. i know Request already has .form for POST params, but if i receive an XML doc, i would like to convert it to a dict, also accessible at Request.params. how should i do this?
[18:33:47] <plaes> mitsuhiko: you moved to Finland?
[18:35:38] <plaes> ah.. my bad..
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[18:45:40] <tux21b> mitsuhiko, still there?
[18:46:48] <tux21b> mitsuhiko, why is this needed? http://hg.ubuntu-eu.org/ubuntu-de-inyoka/rev/62a1002dedc5 (and btw, without that line, our webservers are consuming 95% less network traffic and are needing 85% less cpu)
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[19:01:35] <CIA-49> Werkzeug: EnTeQuAk default * 619:e260b27dfd5a /werkzeug/contrib/cache.py: removed that thread_local cache stuff from tux again since it's not stable and not fully integrated
[19:07:16] * prencher feels excluded from tux21b's password protected code
[19:08:11] * Leonidas too
[19:08:22] * plaes too :(
[19:08:53] <birkenfeld> C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER?
[19:09:12] * tux21b shares the code. It says: local_manager.cleanup(); local.cache = None # why is that needed? :)
[19:09:30] <plaes> fixes memleak?
[19:09:56] <tux21b> fixes caching bug, because cleanup isn't cleaning up anything
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[20:36:57] <CIA-49> Werkzeug: EnTeQuAk default * 620:551368a4167b /werkzeug/local.py: fixed `LocalManager`: If a `local.Local` object is applied as `locals` (what is officially supported) it calls `Local.__iter__` which returns an empty list of `Local.__storage__` :)
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[20:40:57] <EnTeQuAk> finally we got it **looking to tux21b with relief**
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[20:43:25] <maddiin> EnTeQuAk: dmlt repo requires authentication now?
[20:43:47] <EnTeQuAk> maddiin, no, it's just down – since I move the whole server to a new one ;)
[20:44:01] <EnTeQuAk> maddiin, sorry, but I'll try to get it up till tomorrow
[20:44:33] <EnTeQuAk> maddiin, and if it's up again, you'll find some more examples (a full-featured bbcode-parser for example ;))
[20:44:49] <maddiin> EnTeQuAk: good to know... even better to know :)
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[21:41:31] <plaes> finally...
[21:42:08] <plaes> vertical partitioning with sqlalchemy...
[21:42:31] <empty> plaes: interesting
[21:43:49] <plaes> the hardest part is of course cyclic imports :(
[22:07:32] <CIA-49> python-doctools: benjamin.peterson * r66796 /doctools/trunk/sphinx/application.py: silence some deprecation warnings
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