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06. 10 2008

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[08:54:49] <sentor> POX: did you uploaded pygments to the backports?
[09:07:44] <prencher> grumpy - saw various questions by you on mailing lists about it, so.. mod_wsgi 2.3 is in 2008.10
[09:15:18] <POX> sentor: yes, the same day you asked, but it's a NEW package on backports.org and it's not accepted yet
[09:17:20] <sentor> k POX, i search today and can't found, whats the problem with accepting?
[09:17:53] <POX> b.o.'s ftp-master is busy probably
[09:18:08] <POX> wait a sec. I'll upload it somewhere else
[09:18:20] <sentor> cool :)
[09:22:11] <POX> http://people.debian.org/~piotr/python-pygments_0.10-1~bpo40+1_all.deb
[09:24:29] <POX> http://www.backports.org/debian/new.html
[09:25:27] <sentor> thx POX great work :)
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[10:07:00] <sentor> POX: are there configuartions to see syntax highlighted in wiki pages (sources worked without configurations)
[10:31:36] <POX> in trac? dunno
[10:37:18] <asmodai> sentor: is possible
[10:37:30] <asmodai> sentor: look for the {{{}}} syntax with #! mark up IIRC
[10:40:03] <sentor> asmodai: yes, i found such pieces, but they are not colorize therefore i asked for config stuff
[11:03:28] <asmodai> birkenfeld: *pin*
[11:03:30] <asmodai> err
[11:03:32] <asmodai> birkenfeld: *ping*
[11:05:54] <POX> birkenfeld: http://err.no/personal/blog/tech/2006-10-10-12-05_contentless_pings.html
[11:05:56] <POX> asmodai: ;-P
[11:06:01] <ronny> hmm
[11:06:48] <asmodai> :P
[11:07:26] <POX> POX: ping
[11:07:37] <asmodai> POX: ping
[11:07:38] <POX> asmodai: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[11:07:48] <POX> oh, now it works :)
[11:12:18] <asmodai> :P
[11:12:21] <asmodai> pox: ping
[11:12:25] <asmodai> owww
[11:12:29] <asmodai> it remembers
[11:14:01] <POX> it's just a few lines of code so it probably does not (try with capital letters)
[11:15:05] <asmodai> POX: ping
[11:15:06] <POX> asmodai: You sent me a contentless ping. This is a contentless pong. Please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I am around.
[11:15:08] <asmodai> POX: ping
[11:15:13] <asmodai> POX: ping
[11:15:22] <asmodai> Seems to guard against DoS :)
[11:15:50] <POX> and use private /msgs or others will kick you from this channel ;P
[11:21:34] <asmodai> then they won't get their coins, muahaha
[11:41:59] <asmodai> BeautifulSoup class names:
[11:42:04] <asmodai> RobustWackAssHTMLParser
[11:42:10] <asmodai> RobustInsanelyWackAssHTMLParser
[11:42:19] <asmodai> ICantBelieveItsBeautifulSoup
[11:50:16] <ivan> coming up, ICantBelieveItsAClassName
[12:03:21] <asmodai> must be a pain in the ass to type/auto-complete
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[12:16:13] <saptah_> hi
[12:56:02] <asmodai> http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/asp-rnd.png
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[13:19:11] <damjan> ICantBelieveItsAClassName is an Interface right ? :)
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[13:23:33] <aa_> damjan: nah, that's IICantBelieveItsAClassName
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[13:29:34] <aa_> stephano!
[13:29:46] <steg> aa_: apparently i have allergic asthma
[13:29:52] <steg> and am not dying
[13:29:59] <steg> aa_: how are you?
[13:30:04] <aa_> the miracles of modern medicine
[13:30:13] <aa_> steg: over worked
[13:30:16] <steg> yes me too
[13:30:22] <steg> sarah keeps distracting me
[13:30:27] <prencher> but you don't do anything aa_ :/
[13:30:38] <steg> i don't do anything either
[13:30:41] <steg> i'm still overworked
[13:30:46] <steg> the two are entirely orthogonal
[13:33:38] <aa_> prencher: I don't?
[13:33:38] <steg> aa_: i've messed up my shoulder
[13:33:41] <steg> basically i'm a wreck
[13:34:03] <aa_> prencher: at least I have the decency to teach you python on occasion, eh :)
[13:34:21] <aa_> steg: too much intercoursual sex young man
[13:44:35] <steg> aa_: oh i doubt it!
[13:44:44] <steg> aa_: we are having much jokes at the moment about the coq theorem prover
[13:45:24] <aa_> he he he
[13:45:48] <asmodai> heh
[13:45:48] <steg> aa_: "is coq hard? I mean, should we get a good grasp on coq during this course? Could you perhaps show us a hard coq proof?"
[13:45:51] <steg> etc.
[13:46:17] <steg> aa_: one of the topics phil wadler proposed as a project for a girl on the course was "An analysis of Coq"
[13:46:28] <steg> i have utterly no clue whether it was intentional :P
[13:46:32] <steg> i hope it was, because it's hillarious
[13:47:18] <zepolen> steg likes coq
[13:47:32] <steg> what are you doing here?
[13:47:34] <steg> :P
[13:47:39] <asmodai> he seems to be quite fixated on it
[13:48:19] <aa_> hehehe
[13:48:23] <asmodai> Taking the subject with both hands.
[13:48:27] <steg> another course i have is communication and concurrency, abbreviated to COC
[13:48:35] <aa_> asmodai: that is penetrating to the root of the issue
[13:48:37] <steg> so basically, yes, at the moment my life is full of coc
[13:48:41] <steg> i take coc at least twice a week
[13:48:42] <asmodai> steg: You seriously should not visit Bangkok.
[13:49:13] <steg> haha
[13:52:23] <plaes> hum.. pilots sit in cockpit..
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[13:54:18] <ivan> i'm using lighttpd 1.5->paste->werkzeug, and my remote_addr is always 127.0.0.1
[13:54:50] <steg> a male chicken can be called a cock...
[13:55:08] <zepolen> a male steg can be called a coq...
[13:55:17] <ivan> any ideas on how to get the real IP? forwarded_for is always correct, unless there *was* a proxy involved
[13:55:20] <asmodai> coq is cock in French
[13:55:26] <asmodai> for the male chicken
[13:55:34] <zepolen> steg is woman in japanese
[13:55:35] <prencher> asmodai has a great knowledge of cocks
[13:55:47] <asmodai> prencher: never heard of Le Coq Sportif?
[13:56:20] <steg> and words that include "cock" or its similar-sounding friends!
[13:58:28] <asmodai> Mr Spock?
[14:00:24] <aa_> mmmm, vulcan babes
[14:00:59] <steg> my book arrived :)
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[15:11:27] <asmodai> mmm
[15:11:33] <asmodai> if type(blah) is just saying:
[15:11:43] <asmodai> <type 'instance'>
[15:11:53] <asmodai> how do I determine which class instance it is?
[15:12:25] <asmodai> ah duh
[15:12:28] <asmodai> .__class__
[15:12:31] <asmodai> the obvious
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[15:22:48] <prencher> asmodai - you monkey
[15:22:55] <prencher> use newstyle classes
[15:23:06] <asmodai> prencher: beautiful soul :(
[15:23:13] <asmodai> soup
[15:30:19] <ronny> asmodai: its a lie, its ugly stinky shit
[15:30:56] <prencher> throw some django insults in there while you're at it
[15:31:44] <ronny> i sorry, since my insults are based on django i never got them more than half-done
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[15:35:44] <asmodai> ronny: Heh, but it is quite ok for screen scraping
[15:36:08] <prencher> as far as soup goes, it IS beautiful
[15:39:22] <Baumichel> anyone knows if there is a reason why djangojinja2.py doesn't import django.http.HttpResponse ?
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[16:07:49] <_paneb> i am working on a service which may receive different formats from clients, json or x-www-form-urlencoded, and xml will be added later. i am trying to figure out how i should handle the different formats, so that i can easily validate the client's data and use it appropriately. does anyone have a hint about how to cleanly work with the different formats?
[16:11:02] <_paneb> i am thinking of transforming the incoming data into a MultiDict (which is already done by Werkzeug for form-urlencoded), and then i can just use formencode for validation
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[16:19:56] <EnTeQuAk> _paneb, well, xml and json can be moved to a MultiDict too
[16:20:25] <EnTeQuAk> and to differ from different formats the client should send you the type of which format it's message is
[16:20:32] <_paneb> EnTeQuAk, right
[16:26:19] <_paneb> where would i put the code that converts the incoming data?
[16:28:21] <_paneb> for each request, i get a new context right?
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[16:33:11] <EnTeQuAk> _paneb, just put the code into a util-module and call a converter each request
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[16:39:02] <asmodai> heya Kaelten
[16:39:10] <Kaelten> heya
[16:41:22] <asmodai> sup mate?
[16:42:09] <prencher> i heard you got fired Kaelten?
[16:42:21] <Kaelten> prencher: said who?
[16:42:30] * prencher starts drama and fleeeeeeees
[16:42:40] <asmodai> normally blah['key'] is the same as key in blah nowadays, right?
[16:42:53] <asmodai> Kaelten: He's been feeling like that all day now
[16:43:09] <Kaelten> prencher's just a bastard
[16:43:18] * prencher waits for the denial
[16:43:19] <apollo13> :þ
[16:43:40] <asmodai> Kaelten: certified though?
[16:43:47] <Kaelten> dude if I was fired, I'd be on vacation right now
[16:44:00] <asmodai> rofl
[16:44:10] <asmodai> Kaelten: is there where the QQ starts? ;)
[16:44:22] <Kaelten> depends on where
[16:45:39] <asmodai> is this
[16:45:43] <asmodai> typo--
[16:54:26] <Kaelten> I hate django and its orm sometimes
[16:56:58] <prencher> only sometimes?
[16:57:09] <prencher> meet ronny, django hater extraordinare
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[16:59:34] <asmodai> hahaha
[17:10:56] <ivan> how does werkzeug know that 418 == I'm A Teapot?
[17:10:58] <ivan> it's not in the source code
[17:11:26] <prencher> magic
[17:11:36] <ivan> i'm dying of curiosity
[17:15:02] <ivan> looks like i grepped an old werkzeu
[17:15:02] <ivan> g
[17:15:10] <ivan> teapot is definitely in there now
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[17:31:01] <plaes> yup
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[17:46:50] <prencher> i wonder if anybody has found the easteregg yet :)
[17:46:56] <prencher> like, on their own accord
[17:49:34] <plaes> easteregg in werkzeug?
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[17:51:45] <prencher> plaes - yes
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[17:57:39] <maddiin> EnTeQuAk: thanks for the link to the new repo, missed you yesterday by an hour
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[18:17:38] <maddiin> EnTeQuAk: from the examples I´m able to derive things like abbreviations and such, but I would still like to see examples for paragraphs and lists. I hope you can add that in a little while.
[18:18:48] <EnTeQuAk> maddiin, I'm working on, just wait some time ;)
[18:21:15] <maddiin> EnTeQuAk: great, I´ll do :) btw, there is a funny typo in testtext of the advanced example: "Destructive Markup Toolkit"
[18:21:52] <EnTeQuAk> ups :D
[18:23:17] <EnTeQuAk> maddiin, fixed :D
[18:23:21] <maddiin> :)
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[19:30:01] <mitsuhiko> plaes: it's an rfc after all, i don't have to hide that :)
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[20:42:01] <birkenfeld> guys!
[20:42:42] <birkenfeld> I'm missing the daily link to a password-protected repository!
[20:54:53] <tux21b> birkenfeld, so you don't like protected repos and non-protected munin-images? :)
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[21:03:08] <Dauerbaustelle> Hello, I get an error using wekrzeug: OperationalError: (OperationalError) u
[21:03:08] <Dauerbaustelle> nable to open database file u'INSERT INTO strings (......
[21:03:48] <Dauerbaustelle> looking at the error output, it seems like werkzeug/sqlalchemy searches for a file called "INSERT..." ?
[21:03:54] <tux21b> Dauerbaustelle, that's not an werkzeug error. which database are you using? sqlite, mysql or postgres? (or something different?)
[21:03:59] <Dauerbaustelle> sqlite
[21:04:15] <tux21b> ok, and does the path to the sqlite database exist?
[21:04:27] <Dauerbaustelle> yes, it does
[21:06:31] <tux21b> hmm, it's hard to say without any code, but maybe you missed the metadata.create_all()? Some werkzeug examples use that in the "manage.py initdb" action
[21:07:10] <Dauerbaustelle> tux21b: It's the same code that works offline (local machine), but it doesn't work online using wsgi
[21:07:31] * Dauerbaustelle tried chmod 777 but this didn't change anything -.-
[21:09:03] <tux21b> so the file itself does actually exist too? weird
[21:09:45] <tux21b> there is also a command line client called sqlite3. so you can try to access the database via "sqlite3 path/to/database.db"
[21:11:39] <Dauerbaustelle> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/87250/ see here, python can open the path (It's saved under myapp/constants.py)
[21:13:06] <Dauerbaustelle> using sqlite3, it works :(
[21:13:13] <Dauerbaustelle> (command line client)
[21:15:32] <tux21b> can you also paste DB_URI and the part where you connect to the database?
[21:16:31] <Dauerbaustelle> DB_URI = 'sqlite:////home/lophus/www/wz/myapp/myapp.db'
[21:17:32] <Dauerbaustelle> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/87253/
[21:17:57] <Dauerbaustelle> er, I think that's the important stuff...
[21:23:12] <Dauerbaustelle> what? Humpf - it works
[21:23:19] <Dauerbaustelle> changed the directory to 777
[21:23:25] <Dauerbaustelle> but thats very very ugly :(
[21:23:50] <tux21b> Probably your server is running as user www-data
[21:24:16] <Dauerbaustelle> er, I'm using nginx ;) running as nginx.
[21:25:17] <tux21b> ah, ok. i am not so familiar with nginx, but you can either change the directory owner to nginx, or try to use suexec or you can set the user for the wsgidaemongroup
[21:25:59] <tux21b> look at the wsgi and nginx docs how to do that, i can't help you there
[21:26:30] <Dauerbaustelle> Okay, thanks ;) Weird.
[21:26:35] <Dauerbaustelle> Bye :D
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[21:33:03] <apollo13> mitsuhiko: good game :)
[21:33:42] <prencher> whaaaat?
[21:34:53] <apollo13> you don't need to know everything ;)
[21:41:04] <mitsuhiko> apollo13: yep :)
[21:44:31] <sebner> mitsuhiko: now rocking with mono2.0 ;-D
[21:44:39] <empty> eww
[21:45:00] <mitsuhiko> sebner: would love to, but no time for
[21:45:22] <mitsuhiko> wohoo. the spoe loses one seat to the greens :D
[21:45:47] <sebner> well, doesn't change that much
[21:45:53] <mitsuhiko> it changes a lot
[21:45:54] <sebner> mitsuhiko: how was university today? :)
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[21:46:10] <mitsuhiko> for example spoe/fpoe is no longer possible
[21:46:40] <sebner> don't know if you trusted spoe when they were saying: NOT with fpoe
[21:46:54] <mitsuhiko> i was hoping, but i was in doubt
[21:47:30] <sebner> all in all it seems spoe-oevp again
[21:47:30] <mitsuhiko> if the spoe doesn't want to lose the task of forming a government they have to pick someone else than the oevp
[21:47:37] <mitsuhiko> they will wait until the spoe fails
[21:47:41] <mitsuhiko> (if they are intelligent)
[21:47:44] <sebner> ^^
[21:47:57] <sebner> I'm really curious what will come
[21:48:21] <mitsuhiko> oevp/bzoe/green or oevp/fpoe/bzoe
[21:48:29] <mitsuhiko> there are not so many possibilities left
[21:48:30] <empty> foo/bar/baz
[21:48:36] <mitsuhiko> empty: <:D
[21:50:02] <sebner> mitsuhiko: sry but non really convince me :\
[21:50:09] <mitsuhiko> sebner: why?
[21:50:59] <sebner> mitsuhiko: 2nd opportunity has 2 right parties. Seems like a real non-go to me
[21:51:11] <mitsuhiko> so what?
[21:51:25] <mitsuhiko> it's not like the austrian right wing parties are ultra right parties
[21:51:32] <sebner> that's true
[21:51:34] <mitsuhiko> we're not talking about the npd here after all
[21:51:54] <sebner> but do you want a strache with more power than in past?
[21:51:55] <empty> is right like left over there or left like right, or just about the same?
[21:52:25] <mitsuhiko> empty: austrian politics are a bit complicated. we have something here called the "sozialpartnerschaft"
[21:53:11] <mitsuhiko> which (up to 2001 at least) kept the number of strikes pretty low and was a chain of left-ish institutions
[21:53:27] <empty> interesting. yeah you're right I'm already lost :)
[21:53:35] <mitsuhiko> so it doesn't really matter how far right you will vote, these institutions won't go away
[21:53:52] <empty> I like cuba's one party system. Keeps things simple when it comes to voting time. :P
[21:53:57] <sebner> rofl
[21:53:59] <mitsuhiko> heh
[21:54:04] <sebner> or in Russia :P
[21:54:23] <mitsuhiko> empty: we have 29/26/17/10/10% on the top five parties
[21:54:27] <mitsuhiko> that's chaos :)
[21:54:36] <sebner> do elections do exist in north-korea? Don't think so
[21:54:39] <empty> wow
[21:55:30] <mitsuhiko> sebner: if they have, it doesn't matter
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[21:55:43] <empty> mitsuhiko: who gets the other 8%?
[21:55:51] <mitsuhiko> empty: tons of small parties :)
[21:55:55] <empty> ah
[21:56:06] <mitsuhiko> but they are not in the "nationalrat" because they have no seats there
[21:56:10] <mitsuhiko> too low percentage
[21:56:17] <sebner> empty: like "Save Austria" ;P
[21:56:20] <empty> that would be like our congress
[21:56:32] <empty> well no it wouldn't
[21:56:34] <mitsuhiko> empty: someone joked last time: "the biggest party in austria is the party of the non-voters"
[21:56:42] <empty> haha
[21:56:46] <empty> no one can figure it out
[21:56:54] <sebner> mitsuhiko: how was it this time, btw?
[21:57:55] <mitsuhiko> sebner: number of non voters? first it was quite high, i think about 30%, but after they counted the briefwahlkarten the number was corrected down to 23% or something
[21:57:59] <mitsuhiko> which is acceptable
[21:59:26] <sebner> mitsuhiko: sure, but also alarming
[21:59:37] <mitsuhiko> sebner: how so?
[22:00:02] <sebner> mitsuhiko: you may remember prof schuller talking about our voting right? :)
[22:00:25] <mitsuhiko> sebner: that doesn't answer the question
[22:00:37] <empty> mitsuhiko: we had 36% non-voters in 2004.
[22:01:56] <sebner> mitsuhiko: non-voting means we don't care, non-valid votes mean we are not happy with the parties
[22:01:56] <mitsuhiko> despite the fact that the campaigning time was less than two months, the possibilities in the election limited and the people fed up with politics, the number of voters was higher than the years before as far as i know
[22:02:19] <sebner> Sure, I can understand that people are angry
[22:02:48] <mitsuhiko> sebner: you couldn't get 80% of austrians vote if they had to chose between boobs and bigger boobs
[22:03:06] <mitsuhiko> (based loosely on bill maher)
[22:03:18] <sebner> ^^
[22:03:35] <sebner> but without voting there will be never a change
[22:03:41] <mitsuhiko> sure there will
[22:03:55] <mitsuhiko> it's not the number of votes that counts, it's how the votes are distributed
[22:04:04] <mitsuhiko> if you have 5 parties and all of those parties have 20% you have a problem
[22:04:29] <mitsuhiko> you need some sort of peek
[22:05:27] <sebner> mitsuhiko: but think about the