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23. 10 2008

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[13:37:34] <david`bgk> hello
[13:37:48] <david`bgk> what is the equivalent of block.super with jinja2?
[13:43:56] <david`bgk> ok, super()
[13:45:19] <david`bgk> but django2jinja should catch this before the error raised
[13:47:05] <david`bgk> mmh my mistake.
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[16:22:40] <aa_> birkenfeld: if I found a bug in the python faq, I should... >
[16:24:16] <dennda> [Thu Oct 23 16:23:43 2008] [alert] (12)Cannot allocate memory: apr_thread_create: unable to create listener thread
[16:24:20] <dennda> [Thu Oct 23 16:23:49 2008] [alert] (12)Cannot allocate memory: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread
[16:24:23] <dennda> wtf?
[16:25:03] <dennda> and then:
[16:25:04] <dennda> [Thu Oct 23 16:24:53 2008] [alert] No active workers found... Apache is exiting!
[16:25:22] <aa_> dennda: run out of memory?
[16:25:49] <dennda> aa_: how would you best check if that is the precise nature of the problem?
[16:26:06] <dennda> this is on a shared vps so I am having difficulties determining that exactly
[16:26:27] <aa_> dennda: you have some shell access?
[16:26:34] <dennda> I do
[16:27:22] <aa_> use the free command
[16:27:37] <aa_> free -m (for megabytes)
[16:27:59] <dennda> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/88855/
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[16:28:22] <dennda> doesn't look like much space is left
[16:29:15] <aa_> well, maybe that's it
[16:29:21] <aa_> ask your provider?
[16:29:57] <dennda> hm I guess I am running too many things on that machine
[16:30:22] <dennda> the process using up most memory is irssi with 216M Virt and 151 RES
[16:30:27] <dennda> (according to htop)
[16:30:29] <aa_> hehe
[16:30:33] <aa_> neeice
[16:31:13] <dennda> I just wonder why that now starts being a problem
[16:31:22] <dennda> the machine ran that configuration for quite some time now
[16:31:30] <aa_> maybe irssi leaked
[16:31:45] <dennda> wouldn't that be shown in the programs memory usage?
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[16:40:09] <dennda> damn. that thing is just eating too much memory
[16:40:17] <dennda> I need to either streamline that or upgrade it
[16:45:07] <_paneb> has anyone done nested resource routing (for a restful service)?
[16:45:12] <_paneb> (using the werkzeug routing system)
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[17:05:38] <_paneb> nevermind, that was a dumb question
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[18:51:02] <Zenom> is zine usable in its present form?
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[18:59:50] <EnTeQuAk> Zenom, no, it is not!
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[20:10:03] <_paneb> has anyone used cherrypy? how does it compare to werkzeug?
[20:14:33] <ronny> hmm, cherrypy is a magical pony while werkzeug is a zen master
[20:15:27] <luks> comparing things sucks
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[21:31:35] <percious> hey guys, do you think sphinx will get a better plugin system at some point?
[21:31:41] <percious> like, one that is package based?
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[22:08:22] <Zenom> _paneb: i have used cherrypy, and while its useable, i think i like the wekzeug setup better
[22:08:33] <Zenom> but we use pylons for most of our stuff right now
[22:15:08] <Zenom> who is the project lead for zine?
[22:15:37] <ivan> the thing that was deeply upsetting about pylons for me was that after 3 days of reading documentation i realized it was just someone's crufty wsgi response handler
[22:16:23] <ivan> at least django comes with magical ponies
[22:17:29] <Zenom> ivan: i do like django , but at the time of our decision
[22:17:49] <Zenom> django didn't support the ability to connect to 2 databases simultaneously and keep their magical ponies in tact
[22:18:00] <Zenom> and the admin is nice and all , but you typically rewrite all that shit anyway
[22:18:10] <Zenom> so all you are left with is a wsgi handler, an orm and a template system
[22:18:24] <Zenom> this is where sqlalchemy , paster/werkzeug etc come in to play
[22:18:30] <ivan> you could always open as many connections as you wanted in the controller
[22:18:37] <ivan> you don't even need to pool them if they're to localhost
[22:18:43] <Zenom> its not
[22:18:47] <Zenom> we run a large setup here
[22:19:05] <Zenom> the dev time was nice but we found it more flexible for our setup with pylons
[22:19:12] <Zenom> and now werkzeug is out which it wasn't then
[22:19:15] <ivan> i run pgpool-II on the servers serving the requests
[22:19:16] <Zenom> or we probably would be using it :)
[22:19:25] <ivan> so i don't have to deal with pools in threaded python
[22:19:44] <ivan> but if sqlalchemy works then it works
[22:19:44] <Zenom> well right now we don't do that many db requests because our stuff is in php, and we have it building arrays nightly and syncing to the servers
[22:19:48] <Zenom> but we are moving off that system
[22:20:17] <Zenom> not to mention it was a simpler way for us to migrate from php, since we were python newbies and still somewhat are
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[22:36:44] <percious> what do you guys think about adding an entry_point for sphinx extensions?
[22:44:14] <aa_> percious: probably a good idea I think. Except, it makes a setuptools dependency, which might be not what they want.
[22:44:44] <aa_> percious: can't you specify the extensions you want by using "my.extension.foo"
[22:44:51] <aa_> rather than "sphinx.whatever"
[22:45:12] <aa_> seems that really should work, and removes the need for entry poiints
[22:45:24] <aa_> percious: point is, that extensions are added explicitly
[22:45:33] <aa_> (so scrap what I said, probably not a good idea)
[22:45:50] <percious> you can, but then you have to install the extension in a particular directory, and then point sys.path to that directory
[22:46:08] <percious> which is exactly what entry_points avoids...
[22:46:22] <percious> (im playing with numpyext today)
[22:47:31] <aa_> percious: I think I disagree
[22:47:46] <aa_> percious: entry points providers need isntalling too
[22:48:04] <aa_> you can't magically find an entry point provider if setuptools doesn't know about it
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[22:49:25] <percious> aa_: right, well making the extensions providers is my point...
[22:49:40] <percious> and thus, make the extensions packages
[22:49:48] <aa_> but it's not magical, you still need it in PYTHONPATH
[22:49:59] <aa_> percious: the current schem lets you do what you want
[22:50:01] <percious> right, but easy_install gets you that
[22:50:24] <aa_> percious: and you said: you can, but then you have to install the extension in a particular directory, and then point sys.path to that directory
[22:50:39] <aa_> exactly what you have to do with setuptools/easy_install
[22:50:50] <aa_> if you have to write setup.py you have to write setup.py
[22:50:59] <aa_> the more I think about it, the worse I think the idea is, sorry
[22:51:19] <aa_> percious: birkenfeld may agree with you, he is the important one to convince
[22:51:56] <percious> ;-)
[22:52:08] <percious> i can always propose a patch...
[22:52:42] <percious> i think that it would be wise to provide both and entry_point, and the current way of installing extensions
[22:52:48] <percious> and I think you can have both
[22:53:18] <aa_> yeah, surely can have both, but it's like tying a boat to the back of your bicycle :)
[22:53:20] <percious> is the source at sphinx.googlecode.com the most up-to-date?
[22:53:36] <aa_> percious: I think the latest is in python svn
[22:53:52] <percious> numpyext is not working :(
[22:53:56] <percious> maybe with trunk...
[22:56:19] <percious> ok, works with trunk :-), at least I can include it
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[23:22:37] <percious> anyone have exp. with numpyext here?
[23:32:28] <percious> im having trouble with autosummary_generate
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